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    • #64649
      Ronald Carson
      Participant

      I would like to organize a Zoom meeting. I was thinking it could be 45 minutes to an hour in length and perhaps on November 20th at 5:00 pm, central time, USA. The date and time can be changed.
      https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20201120T230000&p1=24&p2=152&p3=136

      I would like to get suggestions on topics. Perhaps we would like to look at particular Lessons. If I get much feedback, I’ll try to arrange an agenda. My personnel questions are about upper range development exercises in the Adagio, Andante, and Moderato stages.

      We can keep it informal and just talk about our coffee moments or lack of them, but I would like to get an opportunity to hear others play some of the WindWorks exercises. I want to keep it cordial and joyful.

      Hoping we can meet.
      Ronald Carson
      A retired guy who picked up playing again for a hobby.
      Previous experience: played 6th-12th grades, public school band, No private lessons.

    • #64747
      Greg Spence
      Keymaster

      This is GREAT Ron and I would like to sit on the sidelines and chip in if needed. Hopefully we can get some starters!

      I really want WindWorks users to be running the meeting like I do the forum. I purposefully keep a low profile as you get enough of me at the course.

      Also, people sharing and talking is part of the learning process and I never want to impede that.

      Best Wishes,
      Greg

    • #64762
      Jo Mathews
      Participant

      I would be interested in this depending on work commitments.

      I’m in London so 2200 gmt may be a little late though.

    • #64780
      j.gardam
      Participant

      count me in even though it’s in the evening here in UK

    • #64819
      remembercolin
      Participant

      Great idea. I will try and make it. I’m in UK.
      I think Zoom has a time limit of about 40 minutes for the free version. This might be be a problem if Greg is chipping in!! As we are all aware his enthusiasm often means he gets carried away.
      Cheers, Colin

    • #64870
      johnelwood
      Participant

      Neat idea, Ron! I’ll try to think of an agenda to suggest–I think that would be key. If Greg is sitting in, perhaps even just a Q&A with him would be INVALUABLE for everyone. That would be pretty exciting, actually. I actually haven’t had a lot of time to play / practice lately and have been mostly just screwing around and not playing a lot of WW exercises per se. I have been playing most days but mainly warming up, playing some music and some flexibilities and whatever exercises I think I need to hit. So I’m not sure it would be that useful to watch me demonstrate anything, but I’ll try to go back and hit some of the WW exercises again–especially the “upper range development exercises in the Adagio, Andante, and Moderato stages” you mentioned above. I’d get an even bigger kick out of helping someone else get through their issue than I did working through mine–my range was limited to G above the staff up until a couple years ago. I’m still working through things and I’m no Maynard Ferguson (nor do I want to be, honestly). But I’m enjoying how easy it is, when things go right (usually they are these days), to play above the staff.

      Depending on who wants to join, we may want to tweak the time so it works for UK, Australia, etc. I can do the time suggested though and will try to make it whenever it is. Thanks!

      • #65136
        Ronald Carson
        Participant

        John, are fine with being in charge of the agenda? I am, thank you.

        Moving up an hour could make the meeting more accessible for those in the U.K.

        https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20201120T220000&p1=24&p2=152&p3=136

      • #65183
        Ronald Carson
        Participant

        I need to proofread.

        John, are you fine with putting together an agenda and posting it here in the forum? Others may have suggestions after seeing it.

      • #65233
        johnelwood
        Participant

        Yikes, Ron, that’s a lot of responsibility!

        I’ll post a proposed agenda below as a start, but it would be good to get Greg’s and other members’ (especially yours) feedback into this. This might be too much for 60 minutes. It wouldn’t kill me to go longer, but some people may have a hard stop after 1 hour and we should try to make it as efficient as possible.

        I’m not a trumpet teacher or professional, I’m just an amateur comeback player who’s given this a lot of thought over the past few years and I did successfully get over my range “hump”.

        It’s not going to hurt my feelings in any way if we wind up using a different agenda. This was your idea, so you may have a closer sense/feel for what you think would be the most beneficial–would probably be a great place to start.

    • #64893
      Ronald Carson
      Participant

      Would having it an hour earlier be better? I am flexible.

    • #65074
      dkbmusic
      Participant

      Sounds like fun – count me in! I have a paid zoom account if we want to use it – it will allow us to go as long as we want.

    • #65101
      rolandramanan
      Participant

      I am literally on day 2 of the course but would be interested. Its 11pm in the UK but you obviously need to go with the majority.

    • #65147
      dkbmusic
      Participant
    • #65148
      Greg Spence
      Keymaster

      This is great guys. For My Kiwi, Aussie and Asian friends this will be in the morning of the 21st November.

      8am Queensland
      9am Sydney Melbourne
      6am Perth
      7am Tokyo

      Cheers,
      Greg

    • #65234
      johnelwood
      Participant

      Here’s a proposal for an agenda. The more people that weigh-in on this, the better. It’s not going to hurt my feelings if we come up with something entirely different. This agenda might be too long for an hour, although I could probably stay on if it goes longer. But we should try to make it as efficient / specific as possible. Some of this might be too high level, but I thought it would be good to cover some of these points, listen to other members talk about their interpretation and have Greg there in the wings as a referee in case one of us goes off the reservation… There are 6 topics so, we could theoretically spend 10 minutes on each. The introduction / course overview might be able to be shorter, with Greg starting off talking for 5 minutes or so about the course, what each section contains, etc.

      1. WindWorks Course Overview / Outline
      a. Largo
      b. Adagio
      c. Andante
      d. Moderato
      e. Allegro
      f. Presto
      g. Ruby
      h. Emerald
      i. Diamond

      2. “Mmmm Aaahhhhh Ooooohhh” – What does this mean? Starting out on the right foot.

      3. How do I know if I’m doing “it” right? What is “it”?

      4. The Windworks Mantras:
      A. SHAPE changes pitch! Air is for volume and long tones…
      Shape involves the shape of the aperture, oral cavity, arch of the tongue, etc.

      B. Less air travels through the horn the higher you play…
      The notes in the harmonic series are closer together the higher we play (i.e. Low C to G on
      the staff is a 5th, but the next harmonic above High C is D–a 2nd, and above High E is F#,
      then G (1/2 step)…). It doesn’t take more air to play higher; it takes more air to play
      louder.

      C. Practise is experimentation… a process of elimination based on ideas gathered
      from teachers, experiences and instinct.

      We must be Objective observers to our experimentation, with no bias (expectation) for
      results for the experimentation to be effective

      D. Clamping the lips and over-blowing are the two biggest problems with playing and are
      generally caused by a misunderstanding of how the instrument works.

      Tightening the lips reduces or eliminates their ability to vibrate freely (as fast as
      possible)

      E. Critical awareness of the problem is half the solution…
      What Can I do? What Can’t I do? What’s the highest I can play? What’s the fastest I can
      slur, etc.

      F. The lips interact with the air as if they are the vocal cords…
      We don’t tense our vocal chords to sing higher–if we did, it would be
      uncomfortable/painful, would limit our range and wouldn’t sound good.

      5. Passive vs Active Air – Separating the act of changing pitch from playing louder/longer.

      6. “My Coffee Moment” – WindWorks members talk about their “Coffee Moments” and the things that helped them have their realization, etc.

      • #65256
        Ronald Carson
        Participant

        Thank you, John. Greg said he wanted to be on the sidelines and jump in when he thinks it is necessary.

        I am going to take your agenda and change the topics into questions. This will get others to share their triumphs and struggles in each of these areas and keep it a discussion.

        Thank you for doing the hard work by building the structure. Tomorrow, I will work on the questions based on your points and present them here for others to comment on.

    • #65274
      j.gardam
      Participant

      This is a question that might be asked by a lot of people.

      When tension/ manipulation etc creep back in as we go up stage by stage;
      what are the effective tricks or methods to get rid of them?

      I haven’t got the answers!

      Jon

      MESSAGE FROM GREG:
      Hey Jon, this is the biggie that everyone eventually deals with.

      The purpose of the EYES CLOSED approach is to find exactly where the manipulation begins whether it be a particular range or volume and the use the “1% RULE” and the sensation of humming/singing to eliminate the issue.

      The Singing C series is a way of PASSIVELY finding the pitch without using more body activation than necessary, with complete disregard, initially, of tone quality. Then we add volume and the harmonic slurs and keep that magnifying glass handy to see what impact greater volume has on the system.

      Critical awareness of a problem is a big part of finding the solution, so deep awareness and pure PROCESS are paramount.

      Best Wishes,
      Greg

    • #66275
      wjtakacs
      Participant

      Is this meeting still on? I should be able to make it!

      • #66287
        dkbmusic
        Participant

        Yes, it is! Should be fun!

    • #66291
      wjtakacs
      Participant

      Is it still the original time of 5:00 p.m. central this Friday?

      • #66303
        dkbmusic
        Participant

        I believe we are at 4pm CST, 10pm in the UK.

    • #66323
      j.gardam
      Participant

      sounds excellent
      to log in to the meeting on zoom we will need a meeting ID and a password

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