WindWorks Trumpet Academy Forums WindWorks Questions on Embouchure formation and the “Milkspout”

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    • #152870
      Rob Medina
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      Hi everyone,
      I am working through the WindWorks course and noticing my tone gets very fuzzy (the same way it has for years) and I am wondering how you conceptualize the milkspout but for the top lip. I’d rather address this now before I get too much deeper into the course. I am wondering if I need to keep it flat against my top teeth or not. I know there is supposed to be a narrowing of the aperture but even in the staff I am playing relaxed but the air gets cut off by lip tissue as I go up. Pressure is “a” solution but also the cause of too many other issues.
      How should I think about what my top lip is doing, and what are some other issues you have run into with forming an aperture and when did you reach that “aha” moment where it started clearing up?
      Thanks,
      Rob

    • #152872
      Hajo
      Participant

      Hello Rob

      The idea of the feeling and using of your top lip is the bedsheet.
      The top lip reacts on the airflow.

      You have to learn and practice the feeling of aaaaaaoooo to change the pitch first.

      With the top lip ( bedsheet) and the bottom lip (Milk spout)
      That will give you mor and more a good relaxed feeling to play a passive low c
      Hope that makes it clearer for you.
      Regards
      Hajo🎺 Germany 🇩🇪

    • #152919
      jerome.home13
      Participant

      Hi,
      I have the same problem and was wondering the same thing.
      I have trouble “tightening” the corners while leaving the middle of the top lip completely free.
      I must be missing something. 🙂
      The concept of “No sound” is easy to understand, but that of “No top lip”, as you can hear Greg say in the videos, is less obvious.
      It was actually a question I wanted to ask during a Sunday session.
      When you only see Greg’s lips and he goes from low to high, the shape of the middle of the upper lip seems more to go against the teeth rather than forward and to be free like a bedsheet.
      But it’s not easy to see exactly what’s going on.

      Regards
      Jérôme – France

    • #152920
      Hajo
      Participant

      Jerome
      don’t think to much about the position or movement of the top and bottom lip.

      I recommend to concentrate on the idea of aaaaaoooo and the feeling of milk spout.

      With that movement ( horizontal) you can learn to play from nonote to low note and pitch change.

      You have to learn the process and to practice the process first.

      In my opinion it is not necessary to observe where someone’s lips are or how it looks like.
      Important is to learn the techniques, and the feeling and repeat them.
      And initialise them step by step.

      That worked for me and I for my students as well.

      Hajo🎺

    • #152921
      jerome.home13
      Participant

      Hajo,
      I think it’s ok for me from low C to E (top staff), passively and very soft sound. But when I have to activate for a louder sound (not FFF) and/or to play higher, I don’t understand how to do with coners, aperture and top lip (bottom lip is ok with milk spout).
      Is the first goal is to have soft sounds, for each note, “only” with corners, then second step : to play with a louder sound, comes with work ?

      Regards
      Jérôme

    • #152922
      Hajo
      Participant

      That sounds good Jerome
      It seems you are on the right way.

      You are right to increase volume you have to activate your body but not to much.

      To play higher only corners in and experiment with your tongue.

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