Hi. I have underbite and with the visualiser and I am also shooting very bottom part of the tissue if any.
The answer to your question is from you :
<< PS. version 1 gives me better results in playing >>
DO what sounds good. Don’t think too much, don’t ovwerthink. It’s hard . I know it.

I think the tissue visualization is a helpful exercise, but stopped doing it after a while.

But even now, I sometimes catch myself moving too much rather than keeping things simple and straightforward and have to get myself back into the right mindset. A little Clarke 1 and 2 on passive air at a soft volume usually helps me a lot.

I would add to Xandar’s recommendation that do what sounds good AND what’s most efficient–these are really the same thing, once you find optimal.

Harmonic slurs, for example, used to be something I powered through like it was an endurance exercise, which it is helpful for endurance; but to really get the full benefit, in my opinion, one has to experiment looking for the easiest way to change pitch as that’s the most efficient AND happens to sound the best as well, which ultimately what playing is about–if we can find the easiest way to produce a given pitch, we’ll have more control, endurance, flexibility, ease of articulation, etc. If it takes everything we have just to touch the pitch, then we’re going to be very, very limited.

Learning to cooperate with the air, not fight the air, is the key.

That’s my perspective, FWIW.

Hey guys. I too have an overbite. Without seeing exactly what is going on it is difficult to say.

In order to get vertical alignment at the aperture, I had to bring the jaw forward SLIGHTLY (No TMJ issues when done correctly!). Did it feel weird? Yes! Did it take time to get used to? Yes! Did it sound good at the start? NO WAY!

Don’t be afraid of the difference in sensation, that is the key to fast and effective learning. (See ITG Presentation Part 1 for more on this with Andrew Huberman).

I am yet to meet anyone, no matter how extreme the overbite, who cannot replicate what I am demonstrating.

As you play, there may be changes in angle and this is where the SENSATION DEVELOPMENT comes into play.

REMEMBER: We are creating a new understanding and new feelings – a new psychology and new sensations. When you begin playing, do you experience the same freedom or do you begin to lock up with back pressure?

I’ll do a further video on this important topic.

Cheers,
Greg

Hi all, this post is particularly relevant to me. I’m a comeback player, currently up to Andante Status Stage. I have an overbite and when I do the tissue exercise I have to consciously move my bottom jaw forward slightly to get the best result with the tissue. If I don’t move my jaw forward, the tissue moves up but nowhere near as much. When playing (especially higher notes) I find that more of my bottom lip has a tendency to find its way into the mouthpiece and whilst this seems to help me hit higher notes I’m also aware that this could be the resurgence of bottom lip clamping!

I would appreciate any comments or suggestions to make sure I stay on track. Thanks.

Sorry, forgot to ask – Greg, what does ‘TMJ issues’ stand for?

Hey guys. TMJ is TemporoMandibular Joint Disorder which is a condition that can develop in the jaw if it is pushed too far forward. Add arm pressure the trumpet and you have big issues.

The visualiser exercise will not cause this and I must stress, this is simply a mouthpiece placement drill for the lower register range and to set you up for the Singing C Series.

Once you have successfully placed your mouthpiece and you discover your Sympathetic Oscillation, you are then on your way and you use the purity of tone and sensation of the open and resonant Body’s Concert Hall to determine if things are proceeding efficiently.

Feel free to post or send me a video.

Cheers,
Greg

Thanks Wooter, I’ll give it a try.

Thanks Greg, that explains TMJ. (I still can’t stop my bottom lip folding under on higher notes though?)

Gary.

Thanks johnelwood, I’ll keep persevering.

As Greg often says… I’m not really inventing anything new, just presenting it now with science behind it”. I’m a comeback player with pedagogy from the ‘70’s. In Roger Sherman’s book The Trumpeter’s Handbook he stresses aligning the upper and lower teeth which for an overbite means moving the lower jaw forward. Feels weird as you start to ascend in range (airstream will still hit the tissue) but that’s the Process!

Thanks Wouter. I was just replying to Greg’s comment that HE moved his jaw forward slightly. Of course one must always be concerned with tension anywhere in the body.